-left or right side of rear wheel using a single speed gear set with a large wheel sprocket, (this works well for a larger 4000 to 8000 watt motor)
-in the chain before the rear derailleur, which gives about a 2.2x range from high to low speed
-before the pedals, which gives about a 3.5x range, (this is the one I'm aiming for)
A manufacturer using a new casting can use either concentric cranks or offset shafts to separate the motor and pedals. This is not an option here, and although the motor will be remotely mounted, at least one freewheel and an extra sprocket must be mounted on the crank. (If both freewheels are placed there the cantilevered load becomes a concern, and a provision should be made for supporting the outboard end of the assembly.) Mounting directly on the crank arm using the common freewheel 1.375" x 24 tpi thread saves some space:
The threaded right crank arm allows a freewheel to fit in the small space.
Using a flanged freewheel allows custom spiders to be bolted on for sprockets and the second freewheel
A reverse rotation freewheel is usually needed for the second freewheel for the motor connection or it will unscrew, and unfortunately these must be adapted from single speed freewheels as there aren't any flanged units.
Bearings that have either sprags or ramps in them will spin in only one direction, and can be used in place of a freewheel. Since the motor speed needs to be slowed down, a planetary gear set built with a one way bearing is very tempting. However there are problems with the inside bore diameter fitting around the crank bearings, and also with enclosing the gear assembly, which makes this a more serious solution for someone willing to build a case and/or custom large diameter one way clutch.
I've also collected a few freewheel hubs and freehubs, just in case it looks like a lay shaft would be the best fit. They would have a problem fitting down in the crank area.
Adapters that could hold the one way devices.
A crank with an extended right side to allow more stuff to fit between the pedals.
As long as all the pieces were loose, I decided to test them for drag. My general impression has been that freewheels (with a ratchet) have less drag than one way bearings (with sliding contact pieces), but it would be nice to know how much better. I wrapped a thread around the outside of each piece and pulled on it. Three forces- the force needed to start the device moving (break out), the force to keep it just barely turning, and the force while pulling as fast as I could while still being able to take a reading, were measured with a small postal scale that had a 0 to 120 gram range. Dividing this by the thread circle radius gave these torque ratings (the low to high order is based on the average of all three readings, but only the faster speed readings are shown here):
Device torque at faster speed force with a 26" wheel
608 bearing with shields 0.36 grams/cm 0.002 ounce
202 bearing with seals 4.57 0.032
Southpaw freewheel 14.71 0.10
DNP flanged freewheel 1 14.88 0.10
DNP freewheel (clean) 13.97 0.09
Shimano freehub (clean) 16.28 0.11
BMX freewheel 17.41 0.12
Falcon freewheel 16.06 0.11
VXB one way bearing 22.58 0.16
DNP flanged freewheel 2 27.90 0.19
Planetary carrier hub 27.14 0.19
Shimano freehub (dirty) 58.14 0.40
The measurements formed 3 groups:
-the regular ball bearings with 0.4 to 4 grams/cm of drag torque
-the freewheels with 14 to 17
-the one way bearings with 22 to 27
There were two freewheels that didn't do well. The second flanged DNP is new and I'm not sure what is going on, as the other one has much lower drag. The Shimano freehub probably has some very old and dirty lubricant inside, maybe even rust, so I don't feel it is representative, just an example of what bad maintenance will do.
The best choice appears to be freewheels, but it should be noted that these are all very small amounts. The lowest plain shielded bearings cause a drag when riding that is equivalent to lifting 0.002 ounce- not even noticeable, and the worst case dirty hub is only 0.4 ounce drag, which is similar to lifting two pencils. If a bike was never maintained it might be possible for the front and rear wheel bearings, and the crank bearings to have that much drag also. The bike would be only a little bit less rideable. The point here is to avoid adding many more bearings while building a mid drive, because maintenance can not be guaranteed.
Hi. I'm a very interesting info but... I can find by any means a right crank arm with the iso thread. Always comes with the spider for the chainrings.... What's the term or technology to search in order to get these threaded crank arms?
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